Sunday, December 02, 2007

Back again (updated)

Richard tries some atheist baiting.

Hitchens says he is an anti theist, but contrary to what Seymour claims, I have never seen Dawkins claim this. Dawkins starts from the standpoint that it would be very comforting and assuring to believe in god, and indeed it's a natural impulse that is part of evolution. Most atheists share this view.

Sartre's view on choices appears to entirely contradict Seymour's own views about material circumstances being responsible for everybody's behaviour. Marxism, that teaches the human being is a sort of hapless ping pong ball that is driven to do all sorts of things wouldn't be doing if they weren't in bad circumstances, is his comforting religion.

Update.

Seymour writes in the comments: I will add that generally speaking militant atheists are a fucking embarrassment who are every bit as fetishistic about God and religion as their foils

Well, being a militant atheist myself, I'm sort of proud of that fact; I enjoy giving people a taste of their own medicine and fighting fire with fire. For me that's part of it.

But to say it's all stupid, boring and stating the obvious, is like saying being anti capitalisism is all stupid boring and stating the obvious. Pretending that capitalism is the root cause of all oppression and conflict is equally as silly as claiming religion is the root cause of everything.
You're argument here really boils down to you believing that liberal (capitalist) imperialism is worse than extreme right religious ideologies, therefore everybody needs to pipe down about these religious ideologies. That's the sum of it.

Religions are ideologies like any other types of ideology. If we think of the type of language you use about white fascism - that they make everything up and set out to deceive, and seek to control our thought sytems - there couldn't be a more striking difference with your take on Islamism. With the BNP you take the Hitchens approach, but for Islamism suddently it's back to the root causes game.

What geopolitical circumstances are really to blame for the BNP then? You show extraordinary hyprocrisy on this.

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